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Taddayo Kun · Oct 14, 2009, 02:13 PM // 14:13

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Were you around during the dupe? A large enough influx of currency will have a lasting impact, even if the influx is short in duration.

I think it goes without saying that Red Resign and duping are like night and day. The rewards gained by red resign are miniscule when compared with the rewards that were gained by people duping items. considering the time it would take to dupe a high end item, there is absolutely no way this would ever be on the same scale.

This also brings me back to my main point, even if the live team continues to sit around ignoring the cries of it's players for another month, that would allow people perhaps 3 more RR days. Since gaining a large amount of zkeys in RR day required a fair amount of grind (no matter how easy it makes it, time and presence are required) the lasting effect will be no comparison to duping. I would even go far as to say that red resign will, in the long run, have less of an effect that XTH since xth requires no presence, time or effort to benefit from, and can be exploited by every account owned, regardless of how many other accounts are owned by the person benefiting.

axe · Oct 14, 2009, 02:25 PM // 14:25

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Originally Posted by Taddayo Kun

I think it goes without saying that Red Resign and duping are like night and day. The rewards gained by red resign are miniscule when compared with the rewards that were gained by people duping items. considering the time it would take to dupe a high end item, there is absolutely no way this would ever be on the same scale.

This also brings me back to my main point, even if the live team continues to sit around ignoring the cries of it's players for another month, that would allow people perhaps 3 more RR days. Since gaining a large amount of zkeys in RR day required a fair amount of grind (no matter how easy it makes it, time and presence are required) the lasting effect will be no comparison to duping. I would even go far as to say that red resign will, in the long run, have less of an effect that XTH since xth requires no presence, time or effort to benefit from, and can be exploited by every account owned, regardless of how many other accounts are owned by the person benefiting.

I would agree with some of this, but RR has grown exponential each time it cycles. This sunday there will be an even larger number of districts and even more multi-account users farming the quest.

Furthermore of all the 60+ districts last time, there was a STEADY conga line of players running to the Z challenge reward NPC, it looked like ants marching in EVERY DISTRICT!!

Even back during the old griffon farming days, there was only 1 district (International) that had the conga line type effect, and granted you could do that every day rather than once a week, but this farm is also much more profitable.

60+ districts is one thing but watch the actual amount of players during any given dist and any given number of min. it is a non-stop train.

Reminds me of this old video which if anyone still has a working link I would love to watch that one again

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=96166

MrTev · Oct 14, 2009, 04:58 PM // 16:58

We got like one more RR day. I'm guessing the update will come out the day they bring in the update for the Halloween stuff.

That's my speculative opinion.

Vazze · Oct 14, 2009, 05:39 PM // 17:39

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Originally Posted by Taddayo Kun

I think it goes without saying that Red Resign and duping are like night and day. The rewards gained by red resign are miniscule when compared with the rewards that were gained by people duping items. considering the time it would take to dupe a high end item, there is absolutely no way this would ever be on the same scale.

I think you don't know the whole story here. Anet banned not only the people who duped (only a few ppl actually did it repeatedly with expensive items) but the ones who traded with the dupers as well. Those who bought cheap ambraces made a whole lot less money with those transactions than rr farmers have made.

I am not saying rr farmers should be banned, on the contrary, far more ppl were banned in the duping business than should have been.

But that does not change the fact, that this is obviously a major violation of rules in a competitive arena (even if it is a pretty dumb areana) and signals a new low in the state of GW.

Zahr Dalsk · Oct 14, 2009, 08:20 PM // 20:20

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

I think that you are just paranoid over there.

Paranoia would imply that it worries me in some way. It doesn't. It's merely something that I've observed to be the case.

Taddayo Kun · Oct 14, 2009, 08:28 PM // 20:28

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Originally Posted by Vazze

I think you don't know the whole story here. Anet banned not only the people who duped (only a few ppl actually did it repeatedly with expensive items) but the ones who traded with the dupers as well. Those who bought cheap ambraces made a whole lot less money with those transactions than rr farmers have made.

I am not saying rr farmers should be banned, on the contrary, far more ppl were banned in the duping business than should have been.

But that does not change the fact, that this is obviously a major violation of rules in a competitive arena (even if it is a pretty dumb areana) and signals a new low in the state of GW.

I do not disagree that red resign is a violation of the rules and have made no argument for or against it since there is no room for speculation in the eula regarding that.

My point was simply that the economy would not be affected as much as people think, particularly since it has become popular while XTH is out of commission.

On the sunbject of banning accounts my argument has been that this would be a very stupid move for anet to take, considering the amount of violations that nothing is ever done about (leeching mainly).

Finally, on the subject of what can be done to stop it, it seems most agree that as soon as anet pulls their fingers out from their proverbial arse and either gets rid of hb or takes the z quest out of circulation this problem and this thread will soon be forgotten.

Island Guardian · Oct 15, 2009, 02:26 AM // 02:26

WHen will HB be removed you think?

Aussie Boy · Oct 15, 2009, 02:28 AM // 02:28

One thing I have noticed of late is there has been no comment from Anet or especially The Community Manager in this thread.
No offence to anyone but at least when Gail was CM she was active in letting the community know what was going on (sometimes the info was wrong lol) but there was that
communication and interaction with the community that should
be in any business.

Anyway if RR day happens again not sure I'll take part but also if I get banned for the 20 odd keys from last one
then so be it just make sure you ban the hundreds of others that were doing it and see your player base drop and prolly not return.

DreamWind · Oct 15, 2009, 03:04 AM // 03:04

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Originally Posted by Taddayo Kun

I think it goes without saying that Red Resign and duping are like night and day. The rewards gained by red resign are miniscule when compared with the rewards that were gained by people duping items. considering the time it would take to dupe a high end item, there is absolutely no way this would ever be on the same scale.

Except for the fact that RR is done by many times more people that duping was. RR is nothing more than a widespread exploit. It is allowed because so many people do it. It is much easier to punish those few people who actually knew how to dupe rather than the thousands who are exploiting now.

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Originally Posted by Taddayo Kun

On the sunbject of banning accounts my argument has been that this would be a very stupid move for anet to take, considering the amount of violations that nothing is ever done about (leeching mainly).

So since they don't ban for one thing, they shouldn't ban for anything?

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Originally Posted by Taddayo Kun

Finally, on the subject of what can be done to stop it, it seems most agree that as soon as anet pulls their fingers out from their proverbial arse and either gets rid of hb or takes the z quest out of circulation this problem and this thread will soon be forgotten.

So once they get rid of HB all their troubles are gone because the players will just forget it ever happened? What a sad state of affairs. Anet has been taking this approach on SO many matters for years now, and that fact that some people have forgotten all of these episodes is quite amazing. Congrats Anet...you are brilliant.

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Originally Posted by Aussie Boy

One thing I have noticed of late is there has been no comment from Anet or especially The Community Manager in this thread.

Which is what happens when there is no logical answer for their actions. After the recent hench debacle and the unbelievable responses from CMs there, they probably think it is best to just stay out of this one.

Bob Slydell · Oct 15, 2009, 08:03 AM // 08:03

We can just wait...wait..wait..wait..thats all we did for 2 years waiting for GW2 and got a great response, the trailer and all this info. So..this means...we wait in time for a response for anet and live our lives (we do have those right? I do....phew im safe..) anyways, all relax its a phase in the game.

poppu16 · Oct 15, 2009, 08:05 AM // 08:05

Red Resigns: What will Anet do about this?

Nothing. Hb will be removed soon, no time to waste.
Way better that anet works on is quaterly content (understand : biannual content)

There is BIGGER problems like botting that haven't been resolved since years.

Just enjoy RR while it's still there, like everyone.

Taddayo Kun · Oct 15, 2009, 02:08 PM // 14:08

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

So since they don't ban for one thing, they shouldn't ban for anything?

I believe you missed my point slightly. I'm not saying that they shouldn't ban anything because they don't ban one thing. My point is that if they ban for one infraction, they should ban for them all. With this kind of thing it should be all or nothing. If Anet banned all the red resigners but left all the leechers (for instance) this would cause definite unrest within the community.

As we all know, Anet claim to keep up with the fansites and the most used of threads, so I hope they have read this one. What is clear from this forum is that the guys at anet really need to step up to the plate and sort themselves out. To think that this forum has lasted so long and had so many replies without so much as a word from anet, it shows a very poor grasp on communication with the public.

One thing stands out in a large amount of threads on this website about the problems with guild wars is that they have seriously lost touch with the community and their ability to communicate is a disgrace. Isn't someone suppose to be in charge of communication? Get off your arses anet, does regina even come to work anymore?

Canadian FTW · Oct 15, 2009, 03:57 PM // 15:57

lol this is a very serious post

Axel Zinfandel · Oct 15, 2009, 04:13 PM // 16:13

This issue is pretty easily fixable IMO. What do they plan to do about it? They're removing HB. Sure, people will just move to a different mode, but it's easily fixable... simply don't allow resigns during those types of games. Why would you need to resign anyway? Don't have enough time? Then don't go in in the first place.

FoxBat · Oct 15, 2009, 04:20 PM // 16:20

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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel

Sure, people will just move to a different mode.

No they won't. HB RR is just one day a week or so. If people knew how to break the other modes they'd already be doing that. Only HB rewards and encourages you for resigning, due to the 1v1 nature and the pairing by ladder rating. Other modes depend on people's cooperation. Just try getting random arenas to red resign when 3 people /resign and 1 doesn't.

Gun Pierson · Oct 15, 2009, 04:40 PM // 16:40

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Originally Posted by Taddayo Kun

Anet claim to keep up with the fansites and the most used of threads, so I hope they have read this one.

I'm absolutely sure they are lurking out there in the dark following this thread.

I can understand Anet needs to think this over. In one hand they hold their precious Eula and in the other hand a significant part of the playerbase.

Canadian FTW · Oct 15, 2009, 09:25 PM // 21:25

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

No they won't. HB RR is just one day a week or so. If people knew how to break the other modes they'd already be doing that. Only HB rewards and encourages you for resigning, due to the 1v1 nature and the pairing by ladder rating. Other modes depend on people's cooperation. Just try getting random arenas to red resign when 3 people /resign and 1 doesn't.

you wanna bet on that?

AtomicMew · Oct 15, 2009, 11:38 PM // 23:38

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Originally Posted by Canadian FTW

you wanna bet on that?

The only other format this sort of thing is possible is GvG. Of course, GvG is so prestigious something like RR would never happen.... OH WAIT.

Premium Unleaded · Oct 16, 2009, 01:37 AM // 01:37

More like, you wait an hour for a game only to get matched against bloodspam.

MrTev · Oct 16, 2009, 01:44 AM // 01:44

Ahh, this Sunday is another RR day.

Time to make bank.